[Val]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:21:32 am #5511

You needed me, I didn't need you. We could have got out whoever we wanted. Tammy never entered my mind as a potential boot

Look. That's where I was mistaken. I didn't need to get Richard out. I wanted to. It wasn't a good move because I had to go to you for it. I shouldn't have, had I not, unless you played your idol right, it would have been somebody from your side.

Did you miss the part where Drew and I got 5 votes and Rich got 8?

We had the numbers to do whatever we wanted. you're kidding yourself if you think you're a mastermind who got Rich out when it was what Drew and I decided and told you and everyone else what was happening

Nooo. Ok. What happened was is that I went to Ozzy telling him I was going after Rich after all. He was, rightfully, pissed and went and told everybody. Everybody includes, but namely is, Penner. Penner flipped the moment he knew I was going there, too/ As you can see what side he is on now is the side he planned to be on from that moment. That dude is not gonna pass up a moment to be on the right side of the votes.

[Drew]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:32:57 am #5514 Dan's bang on the money here. He and I held by far the most influence. In that moment if you decided to flip, you would have found yourself in the minority. Don't see how Dan and I orchestrating a decision is your move, but hey you tried.

[Val]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:36:52 am #5516

Dan's bang on the money here. He and I held by far the most influence. In that moment if you decided to flip, you would have found yourself in the minority. Don't see how Dan and I orchestrating a decision is your move, but hey you tried.

Of course you'd say that, but no, but this goes deeper than you guys are imagining. Penner was not on your side. Sure, you could say, what do I know about Penner, he wasn't loyal to me. But who he was loyal to are two things in a very particular order. His game and the guys alliance of Ozzy-Nate-Him. Once you said you'd go Rich, that was it. Had I not said anything to Ozzy, the vote would have been 7-6 with Rich going home. Had you said anyone else, it would not have worked that well for you guys. It's not JUST about me, but you guys were NOT in control.

[Drew]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:40:57 am #5519 We had the numbers, not you. It's pretty black and white. You were provided an opportunity, but the people facilitating that were the ones making the final decision.

[Dan]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:45:24 am #5520 It also also Val's decision to take out Cassandra I assume, had nothing to do with us

[Val]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:45:24 am #5521

We had the numbers, not you. It's pretty black and white. You were provided an opportunity, but the people facilitating that were the ones making the final decision.

Look, that's fine, but I knew I could go back and do what I did the next round because of that. From my perspective, the only way you got numbers was by doing what I wanted. And it happened. I also can't prove that Penner was going to vote with us had I not decided to go with you guys, but I have a pretty good feeling.

I just think if you had made any other Decision than the one you did, you would have had control.

Here's the argument. If you really did have control, you would have known both Penner and I were voting with you, thus you could have voted any way you wanted to with a majority, leaving us out in the dark in a 6-5-2 vote. But you didn't you were very reliant on other people, namely me, hence NOT a super lot of control.

[Val]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:45:46 am #5522

It also also Val's decision to take out Cassandra I assume, had nothing to do with us

NOPE, that was actually all you guys.

[Dan]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:48:06 am #5525

We had the numbers, not you. It's pretty black and white. You were provided an opportunity, but the people facilitating that were the ones making the final decision.

Look, that's fine, but I knew I could go back and do what I did the next round because of that. From my perspective, the only way you got numbers was by doing what I wanted. And it happened. I also can't prove that Penner was going to vote with us had I not decided to go with you guys, but I have a pretty good feeling.

I just think if you had made any other Decision than the one you did, you would have had control.

Here's the argument. If you really did have control, you would have known both Penner and I were voting with you, thus you could have voted any way you wanted to with a majority, leaving us out in the dark in a 6-5-2 vote. But you didn't you were very reliant on other people, namely me, hence NOT a super lot of control.

You are forgetting we decided to take Richard out and had the numbers, hence we had control. We also had control of 50% of the tribe in the 2nd vote and we lost it due to a correct idol play and my incorrect idol play.

This is cute, but we know the truth

[Val]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:51:17 am #5526

We had the numbers, not you. It's pretty black and white. You were provided an opportunity, but the people facilitating that were the ones making the final decision.

Look, that's fine, but I knew I could go back and do what I did the next round because of that. From my perspective, the only way you got numbers was by doing what I wanted. And it happened. I also can't prove that Penner was going to vote with us had I not decided to go with you guys, but I have a pretty good feeling.

I just think if you had made any other Decision than the one you did, you would have had control.

Here's the argument. If you really did have control, you would have known both Penner and I were voting with you, thus you could have voted any way you wanted to with a majority, leaving us out in the dark in a 6-5-2 vote. But you didn't you were very reliant on other people, namely me, hence NOT a super lot of control.

You are forgetting we decided to take Richard out and had the numbers, hence we had control. We also had control of 50% of the tribe in the 2nd vote and we lost it due to a correct idol play and my incorrect idol play.

This is cute, but we know the truth

Boy, you know there were bigger fish to fry than Richard. Look, my main point is that I obviously couldn't have been 100 percent sure that the next vote would have worked out as it did, but I knew Ozzy had that Idol and I knew you guys would predictably vote. I also assumed you didn't have the other Idol. I was fairly certain I could flip back on you after that move. Realistically, I probably shouldn't have flipped on you, but I was probably screwed either way.

[Drew]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:54:18 am #5530 We were banking on you not making a ridiculous decision to flip on half of the tribe while just having fucked over the other half the previous tribal. You essentially backed yourself into a corner where nobody would trust you fully for the remainder of the game. We would all 4 still be in the game if you hadn't decided to do that, and then maybe you'd have had a shot. Hindsight is 2020 I guess, but it seemed extremely obvious to me for you to do that, since what you did instead tanked any chance you had of winning.

[Dan]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:56:37 am #5531 Bitch is making no sense at all

[Val]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:59:12 am #5532

We were banking on you not making a ridiculous decision to flip on half of the tribe while just having fucked over the other half the previous tribal. You essentially backed yourself into a corner where nobody would trust you fully for the remainder of the game. We would all 4 still be in the game if you hadn't decided to do that, and then maybe you'd have had a shot. Hindsight is 2020 I guess, but it seemed extremely obvious to me for you to do that, since what you did instead tanked any chance you had of winning.

I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't making great choices. I thought I needed to do something about Richard when I probably didn't. I also didn't expect the fallout I'd gotten. i should have. I enjoyed getting Rich out too much for what it was worth, but it made me happy at the time. I REALLY didn't think you guys could or would protect me for that long.

[Drew]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:03:47 am #5533 Because contrary to popular belief, we were actually paving a path to victory, unlike the majority of the people left in the game. It was easy to see that the Indo people needed to stick together, since we were all labeled as allies already. So by going against each-other, we would fuck ourselves. Like I said, seemed obvious to me that was the case. Of course eventually we would have tried to deal with you. But a hell of a lot later than these fuckers did.

[Dan]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:05:11 am #5534 I guess she was just Heidi & Tammy's got and not ours. Not much of a true fag if she ain't gonna align with the sexiest boys in the game

[Dan]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:05:33 am #5535

I guess she was just Heidi & Tammy's goat and not ours. Not much of a true fag if she ain't gonna align with the sexiest boys in the game

[Val]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:06:41 am #5536

Because contrary to popular belief, we were actually paving a path to victory, unlike the majority of the people left in the game. It was easy to see that the Indo people needed to stick together, since we were all labeled as allies already. So by going against each-other, we would fuck ourselves. Like I said, seemed obvious to me that was the case. Of course eventually we would have tried to deal with you. But a hell of a lot later than these fuckers did.

Part of my fear was how powerful Dan was becoming. I don't think that you guys had the power in that vote, but you nearly GOT the power because of it. With one of Heidi or Tammy gone, and Dan having ALL those idols and his super loyalty to you and Sierra, I got really spooked.

[Rocky]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:21:25 am #5538 If you were worried about this super loyalty situation and all the power Dan was gaining, why did you alienate Hayden, Sugar, and I? I personally know I planned on turning against Drew or Dan way down the line, and I know I brought it up with Hayden (but not Sugar or you). I hesitated on spreading it out to continue my stupid schtick I always do.

Sure, power is scary, but turning on it at final 11 just seems unwise, especially when you alienate half of the alliance in doing so. Not only that, but you just gave slightly shittier power to Tammy/Heidi who... well, they're not targets you can hide behind down the line.

[Rocky]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:22:23 am #5539

If you were worried about this super loyalty situation and all the power Dan was gaining, why did you alienate Hayden, Sugar, and I? I personally know I planned on turning against Drew or Dan way down the line, and I know I brought it up with Hayden (but not Sugar or you). I hesitated on spreading it out to continue my stupid schtick I always do.

Sure, power is scary, but turning on it at final 11 just seems unwise, especially when you alienate half of the alliance in doing so. Not only that, but you just gave slightly shittier power to Tammy/Heidi who... well, they're not targets you can hide behind down the line.

spesh tammy, that girl ain't all there, but that's kinda the way i like my ladies 8)

[Trashley Markwood]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:26:34 am #5540 Y'all are some bitter ass bitches lol.

Val <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Stay strong 5eva girl <3 That IMPACT when the whole jury wants you D-E-A-D

[Rocky]

- Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:27:28 am #5541

Y'all are some bitter ass bitches lol.

Val <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Stay strong 5eva girl <3 That IMPACT when the whole jury wants you D-E-A-D

I think the fact that Val is sitting here after making a move against all of us shows that we're kinda right, lollin, but that's just me.